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Trying to heal after my wife's emotional affair with a coworker.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 10:29 PM on Tuesday, August 19th, 2025

Hell, he messaged her the other day and asked if what he was wearing was appropriate for a zoom meeting. She thought it was inappropriate and told me as soon as he did, but instead of shutting it down and telling him that - she said "its fine."

Just another example that she doesn’t get it.

She should know this is his way of trying to re-start something. Ask an innocent dumb question. See if you get a response.

No offense but she can’t be that stupid to not see through this nonsense mad

[This message edited by The1stWife at 10:29 PM, Tuesday, August 19th]

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 UseD2 (original poster new member #86410) posted at 2:41 PM on Wednesday, August 20th, 2025

Just another example that she doesn’t get it.

She should know this is his way of trying to re-start something. Ask an innocent dumb question. See if you get a response.

No offense but she can’t be that stupid to not see through this nonsense mad


Oh I know. I saw that the second she showed it to me. As long as she works with him he’s going to keep trying.

Throughout their conversations he kept telling her that what they had was an "also" — that it didn’t replace her marriage but still deserved to live in the real world too. Planting seeds for justifying their relationship. This was him seeing if any of them were still growing.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 4:52 PM on Wednesday, August 20th, 2025

Is she looking for another job?

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 UseD2 (original poster new member #86410) posted at 5:14 PM on Wednesday, August 20th, 2025

Is she looking for another job?

No. Last night she said that she'll have a lot of sadness if she has to do that. Because I don't have any sadness over it? mad

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 5:16 PM on Wednesday, August 20th, 2025

I take it OM also had to sign some document with HR? It’s hardly one-sided and only SHE had an inappropriate relationship with him.

He’s a SENIOR staff member, right? I guess he KNOWS wearing his Daffy Duck outfit for a customer meeting on ZOOM doesn’t meet company standards. I also guess her role isn’t protocol manager or dress-guard.
In the STRONGEST way I can over a message like this I encourage YOU to contact the company HR and be very loud about how he is STILL contacting your wife about what is basically non-work related personal issues. Be very insistent that you expect THEM to protect her from ongoing harassment from a senior employee, and that if they can’t and if they DARE take this out on her then the next call will be from your lawyer.

Best case – it get’s him off her back. Worst case – she get’s fired. So it’s win-win for you anyways.
(BTW – they won’t fire her because that will open a plethora of legal issues for them. It’s more likely that one of them will get exceptional recommendations in order to find a new job, and some golden parachute to escape in)

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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 UseD2 (original poster new member #86410) posted at 5:58 PM on Wednesday, August 20th, 2025

I take it OM also had to sign some document with HR? It’s hardly one-sided and only SHE had an inappropriate relationship with him.

He’s a SENIOR staff member, right? I guess he KNOWS wearing his Daffy Duck outfit for a customer meeting on ZOOM doesn’t meet company standards. I also guess her role isn’t protocol manager or dress-guard.
In the STRONGEST way I can over a message like this I encourage YOU to contact the company HR and be very loud about how he is STILL contacting your wife about what is basically non-work related personal issues. Be very insistent that you expect THEM to protect her from ongoing harassment from a senior employee, and that if they can’t and if they DARE take this out on her then the next call will be from your lawyer.

Best case – it get’s him off her back. Worst case – she get’s fired. So it’s win-win for you anyways.
(BTW – they won’t fire her because that will open a plethora of legal issues for them. It’s more likely that one of them will get exceptional recommendations in order to find a new job, and some golden parachute to escape in)

Yes, he had to sign the same agreement. However, there have been a few messages from both sides that are technically non work related. He asked in a group meeting about what shoe companies people recommend, and she DM'd him a link to one.

The office got burgers for lunch and she let him know via DM that the lunch had arrived.

I've already talked to her about both of those, but if I went to their HR about him not honoring it, they would say she hasn't either.

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Rfv3311 ( new member #85046) posted at 2:18 AM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

Your wife still does not seem to understand the damage her betrayal has done. The messages as innocent as they are are continued communication with a man she had an affair with. No contact means NO CONTACT. He could have found out about a shoe store from someone else. Someone else could have told him lunch had arrived but she jumped right in there instead and messaged him. She would sad to leave her job? Does she not understand how sad you are that she had an affair? I don’t think she is remorseful at all. If she was she would go out of her way to avoid communicating with him and she would have quit her job immediately without you needing to ask. I know you want to reconcile but that’s can’t happen with someone who is not really remorseful. You’ll rugsweep this with no consequences for her and she’ll either do it again with someone else or she will restart with this same guy but next time it will become physical. Sorry, but if you really want to save your marriage she needs to show you that she is remorseful and willing to do whatever necessary to save your marriage and she isn’t doing any of the work right now.

Reconciled but far from perfect.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 11:13 AM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

Quick, short answer:

but if I went to their HR about him not honoring it, they would say she hasn't either.

True. But you state he’s a senior. Although not in a management position then he would be held accountable. She might too, but so what? Your options right now are whether you risk her losing her job, or if you lose your marriage.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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IJustWantToKnow234 ( new member #86446) posted at 1:46 PM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

UseD2,
just repeating this for clarity:

Quick, short answer:
"but if I went to their HR about him not honoring it, they would say she hasn't either."
True. But you state he’s a senior. Although not in a management position then he would be held accountable. She might too, but so what? Your options right now are whether you risk her losing her job, or if you lose your marriage.

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Formerpeopleperson ( member #85478) posted at 2:42 PM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

UseD2,

You will never find peace with them around each other.

Best wishes.

It’s never too late to live happily ever after

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 5:26 PM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

Throughout their conversations he kept telling her that what they had was an "also" — that it didn’t replace her marriage but still deserved to live in the real world too. Planting seeds for justifying their relationship. This was him seeing if any of them were still growing.

This framing is 100% correct. Cheaters choose both as long as both is an option.

No. Last night she said that she'll have a lot of sadness if she has to do that. Because I don't have any sadness over it? mad

You are about two weeks in to the journey that took me 1 year to make. I feel for you. How long is it going to take you?

Reminder of my previous post:

"The hard lines thing.... I really don't know if there is any way to not learn that the hard way.

Basically, because you want her to genuinely just get it, and she is going to be avoidant and not.... You will suffer until you have had enough to be forced to make the demand (for her to change jobs) or ask for a divorce.

I don't think you can shortcut it because you feel the need for this to all be genuine. I don't know for certain how any of this will play out for you, but my guess is you will suffer until you genuinely want a divorce."

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 5:27 PM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

A lot of what we do post-d-day is reaction and then waiting for the WS to act. It’s like a game of chess where you aren’t working together but trying to manipulate each other to a position where you control more than the other. IMHO your wife is trying to create the position where you are OK with not knowing the full extent of the affair (like... if she knew it wasn’t physical (one of only two who can know that...) then why did she have a STI test done?), where she can remain at the job where OM is at, that she can remain in contact with OM (probably with all intent of having it only as "friends"). She’s hoping that if she waits long enough you find a way to be semi-civil despite all the infidelity-elephants in your marriage.
What I’m going to suggest is a series of actions that YOU take, that YOU control.
Yes – your wife’s reactions can impact your next step, but only to the extent that either she accepts your conditions and focuses on reconciliation or speeds up what might be an inevitable divorce.

Basically what I’m suggesting is the old adage that if you love someone, set them free:

Tell your wife that she’s free to work there and be around OM. She can date OM, give him advice on what to wear, she can experience having him as a lover if she hasn’t, and again if she has. She can tell friends and family how great he is and how she is looking forwards to spending time with him. Only... she can’t do this as your wife.
Ask that she be discreet around the house, and that she dates OM at hotels, or his car and not in any place you might have to be at or in. To let you know if she’s bringing him to family- or friend gathering so you can avoid being there.

Tell her that just like she is free to choose her infidelity over her marriage, you are free to choose what you accept in your marriage. One thing you don’t do is SHARE your wife. With her priority for work and being around OM she’s at best allowing you to share her with him. Toothbrushes and wives – two things not shared.
Tell her this isn’t how you envisioned your future, but that you aren’t interested in some quasi-marriage. You don’t care for being worried about their contact at work, not being able to go to her office without the strange looks from EVERYONE that knows. Having anxiety if she goes to a conference, or works late... Of two evils NOT having her beats sharing her.

Tell her that you are initiating the steps to terminating the marriage. That includes both emotional attachment and practical matters. You will consult an attorney, and if you are both reasonable and follow the norms in your state this can be amicably done in a few months.

She might have a short gap to let you know she wants this marriage, but that would require some actions like being totally accountable to the truth – verified by a poly – and changing jobs. The further along your path out of infidelity you get, the more content you become with your decision and the less likely you are to want to reconcile.

Tell her there is no rush, no drama. It’s a logical decision based on the reality of the situation, and although tough then it’s the least-bad option you have. You have two choices – to remain in infidelity or to leave infidelity – and based on her decisions only one path is open. Not what you want – but it’s the path offered. Sort-of like you might not want to have an infected toe amputated, but it beats dying of gangrene.

Then go make a sandwich. No need to say any more.
She tells you how important her job is to her – your standard reply is:
"Sorry you feel that way. If we were working on our marriage, we would have to address this, but since you prioritize your infidelity over us there isn’t any need to do so"

She tells you how you ignored her:
"Sorry you feel that way. If we were working on our marriage we would have to address this, but since you prioritize your infidelity over us there isn’t any need to do so"

She tells you ... well... ANYTHING:
"Sorry you feel that way. If we were working on our marriage we would have to address this, but since you prioritize your infidelity over us there isn’t any need to do so"

She starts talking about practical matters in a divorce/separation:
"We will follow the rules and laws in our state. I am not clear on them so we will have a professional guide us through that. No need for us to argue over something we don’t understand now".

Detach. Remove drama. It’s no "alas! We are divorcing" but rather "well... you made your choice and this is what happens". It’s not as if you are trying to negotiate that you remain married and she only has a teeny-weeny ongoing infatuation with OM.

Then start the process. Start looking for a competent attorney. Start gathering info on debts and assets. Start learning about the process. Start telling stakeholders to the marriage "my wife had an affair with (name of OM here) and has prioritized that over our marriage so we are divorcing". Start the financial separation. Start the emotional separation.

There isn’t any rush. It’s not like you need to file tomorrow. But you do need to be steadily moving out of infidelity.
If she reacts positively – YOU can decide to slow down. YOU can decide to tell the attorney to withdraw the petition. YOU can decide to spend one more week gathering data before your first attorney’s appointment. You never stop completely – not until you are convinced her actions are in accordance to her words.
Possibly you get her to true reconciliation. Possibly you end up divorced. Both are great. They definitely beat what she’s offering you now.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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Icedover84 ( member #82901) posted at 9:02 PM on Thursday, August 21st, 2025

I fully agree with Bigger. For a few months after the affair, I would check my wife's phone to see if she were still in contact. At first it was every now and then and just stupid stuff. He had moved up from the AHL to the NHL and lived a five hour drive away during the hockey season and in a European country during the summer months. I wouldn't even consider the messages anything more than a weak attempt at downgrading to "friendship." As you said, just keeping each other in their lives to some degree. But over time, it got less and less. He got transferred completely across the country. Then it was like sixteen weeks between messages. It's been three years, and I checked again recently to find she didn't even have Snapchat anymore. That's when I knew it was fully over.

But do I fully trust? That's a tough one. If I get a long enough opportunity sometime, I may re-download it on her phone and see if she's hiding it that way. But about 90% of my heart and brain tell me that isn't the case. She's fully back to her old self that she was before the affair. But yeah, if they hadn't put distance between themselves, I doubt I could have continued.

[This message edited by Icedover84 at 9:03 PM, Thursday, August 21st]

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